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gnine ([personal profile] gnine) wrote2008-09-23 10:08 pm
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SGA: An Essay on Keller

This wasn't meant to be quite so long, it kinda got away from me. [livejournal.com profile] xparrot and I have been spending a lot of far too much time discussing one of our growing frustrations with SGA: the character of Keller. Finally, enough was enough, and I realized I just had to get it all down on paper, to get it out of my system, if nothing else. And thus, this monstrosity was born:

A Question of Motivation

First off, I want to be clear: this isn't meant as character bashing. It's a question, a fundamental issue with the character that's been bothering me more and more.

Also important to establish right off the bat: I was never a particularly big Carson fan. I didn't dislike him, but he was in no way my favorite. I say this to make it clear that while yes, I was sorry to see him go, I wasn't heartbroken, and his loss didn't bias me against Keller. Just the reverse: when I first heard that Jewel Staite would be replacing him, I was ecstatic. I loved her in Firefly, enjoyed her portrayal of Kaylee-Wraith in "Instinct," and was enthusiastic to see what she would add to the Atlantis assemble. Sadly, while I continue to love the actress, I don't think the writers have delivered in terms of character.

That said, on to the question: What is Keller doing on Atlantis?

This is really a two-fold inquiry: Why did Atlantis/SGC/IOA bring her on board? and What was Keller's own motivation for going there? For all the other major (and many of the minor) characters, we can easily answer at least one of those two questions, and in many cases, both. But Keller?

I've seen several people cite her ordinariness and her lack of confidence as pluses. Something "normal", "believable" amidst a cast of "superheroes." In other shows, I might agree. But what place does "normal" have on Atlantis? As your Head of Medicine? At that young an age? In that prestigious, not to mention dangerous, a place? She better be damn special, better outshine them all. Because that's how you get and retain a position such as that. Atlantis is not a mundane place and neither are the people on it. Is Keller?

People argue that Keller is no worse off-world/in battle/outside of her standard duties, etc. than Carson or early Rodney. And I agree. She's no worse, but she's no better, either. And she *should* be. Why? No double standard, just a fundamental difference: Carson and Rodney both were on Atlantis from the beginning. That first year was different. They didn't even know if there would be other gates in Pegasus, or if they'd ever need to go off-world. Additionally, they were both *vital* to the mission. No one (except perhaps Carter, who couldn't be spared at the time) knew more about Ancient tech than Rodney, and Carson had the gene, the second strongest manifestation of it after John. Plus there was his research on the gene therapy. Weighed against these skills, their lack of experience in the field was moot.

Keller, on the other hand, joined the project late in the game. By the time she came, everyone knew what they were getting into. Medical personnel had been sent off-world multiple times, not to mention there were all the dangers on Atlantis itself. Back in "Intruder", when Carson is picking new staff, he's bemoaning the fact that all these people are more qualified than him, especially noting their physical prowess: "hobbies include judo, horseback riding and base-jumping". Totally reasonable. The SGC is looking to recruit civilians with varied skill sets, beyond their chosen field. People who will do well in *any* situation Pegasus can possibly throw at them. And Pegasus certainly pitches a lot of extreme ones. What are Keller's "extra" skills?

Then there's her age. Being SG, which is notoriously bad about giving characters' ages, we can't know for sure how old she is. In at least one case (David Hewlett) we know the character is meant to be the same age as the actor. If this holds true with Keller/Jewel, that puts her somewhere around twenty-six. *Maybe* they could bump that up to thirty, but even so, that's awfully young to be the head of anything, especially the Head of Medicine at an international, highly elite facility. Keller mentions skipping grades (which one would assume would be true of virtually everyone on Atlantis) but still, head positions are usually based not just on smarts, but *experience*. 'Quarantine' suggests she got her bachelor's at seventeen. Which means she might have gotten her MD by twenty, so she has six years' experience tops, including her internship. Every other position of authority on Atlantis has been filled by people in their mid-thirties or older.

Now, they might overlook Keller's lack of field experience/physical ability, not to mention her youth, if she had something else going for her. Something beyond 'competent doctor'. But so far we have never been given an example of any special skill, nothing that makes her "vital" or "unique" to the project. Yes, she's a good doctor, I'm not denying that. But there are a LOT of good doctors out there. What separates her from the crowd? Why did the SGC single her out? And not just for any position, but a position high in the command structure, later granting her Head Medical Officer of *Atlantis*?

Moving on to the second part of the question: Keller's own motivation.

When we first meet Keller, she's *begging* Elizabeth to find her a replacement, and Elizabeth denies her request. Leaving aside the question of *why* Elizabeth has faith in her , if Keller didn't want to be in charge, didn't feel she could handle it, why did she take the position? One that placed her one step away from being in command? In a place as dangerous and unpredictable as Atlantis, the odds that you're going to have to step up and replace your boss are *high*.

Personal ambition could explain it (like with Kavanagh, who is a much greater coward, but keeps returning regardless because his ego demands it. He believes, however misguided, that he's got the chops). But Keller wants *out* of command, eager to give it away. The very opposite of ambition.

Carson, beyond the needs of his gene, comes because of his research. He states in "Hide and Seek" that the ATA gene therapy couldn't be tested back on Earth, too many regulations. He's come to Pegasus to play mad scientist. But we haven't seen Keller really engage in research, beyond what she did in "Kindred" and "The Seed", which was borne not of personal interest but a desperate need to save Carson and the Athosians, and which was entirely based on Michael's and Carson's previous research.

Doctor Porter, in "Whispers", states she's interested in adventure, exploring, meeting strange new people. Considering Keller's reactions in "Missing" and "Trio", adventure and exploration are the furthest thing from her mind.

Conversely, she's been given several reasons to stay back on earth. Besides her seeming lack of love for danger/adventure/physical exertion, all things she should have expected to face on Atlantis, she mentions her father back in "Missing". She's "all he's got left." Why take a position as far from home as you can *ever*, in any realm of the imagination, get? One in which the odds of coming back from aren't so hot. You'd need some pretty hefty motivation to overcome that. We've never gotten even a hint.

She first tells Elizabeth she hopes the IOA will make a quick decision, she'd like to go back to being "a regular doctor." You can *never* be a regular doctor as the head of medicine on Atlantis. Circumstances won't allow it. What made her want to stay after the grand FUBAR that was "Adrift"/"Lifeline"? What made her want to go in the first place? She's certainly not military, she wasn't assigned there. Atlantis, canonically, has a very rigorous application process. Why struggle through it when you can be a regular doctor in the comfort and safety of your own galaxy?

The reason these questions matter so much to me, besides the obvious fan-urge of "I need to know," is that a character's goals, their motivations and passions, are how I form emotional attachments to them and thus to the show.

Teyla leaves her people for her people. She feels Atlantis is her people's best hope of salvation. She will do *anything* for them, and when she loses them? You can empathize, fully support her drive to find them, cheer when she's reunited, because they are her passion, her focus.

Ronon will keep fighting until "every Wraith in the galaxy is dead". When he's forced to work with them, when they get the better of him, you wince for him, you understand his anger and frustration, and you cheer when he turns the situation back around, kicks some Wraith ass, because you *know* how damn satisfied it's making him.

Rodney's passion, his life, his reason d'etre, is his science, his intelligence, his hope of a Nobel. Every brilliant break-through, every discovery, you know he's a bit closer to that goal. And when it fails him, when his smarts betray him (Trinity), it *hurts*, and the audience sighs/whimpers/writes copious amounts of tag fic.

John never really wanted to come to Atlantis in the first place, had to be talked into it, in face of resentment from his CEO. But he overcame that, made a home there, a family, people he will do *anything* for. His team, his 'family' is John's motivation. And every time he goes batshit crazy determined to help/save them, we cheer (or squee) over his loyalty, his dedication, his ability to protect what he loves.

Their traits, their passions and goals are defined and focused. A clear path for the characters to walk on, for the writers to build upon, for the fans to latch onto. What is Keller's drive, what is her character's destination? What are her obstacles and pitfalls along the way?

Her ambitions are murky and her flaws? Superfluous. Her lack of confidence, which comes and goes, could make for a character arc, except she never has to overcome it.

Professionally, she's told over and over she's doing a great job and never once has she had to face consequences for her fuck-ups. Using the nanites on Elizabeth was originally her idea, but Rodney takes all the heat for it. It's ironic that the decision Elizabeth so loathed started with the person she had such faith in, an irony that's never once touched upon. In "The Shrine", *Keller* blames herself for missing what happened to Rodney, and as his doctor, she's right. It's her fault she didn't diagnose it sooner. But no one else accuses her. On the contrary, they reassure her. Every other character on the show has had their actions questioned, doubted. Argued against. Forced to prove they're correct, or give in in the face of irrefutable fact. Most of them have had their jobs directly on the line, the IOA demanding justification.

In "The Shrine", there's disagreement, but they never outright state they think Keller's wrong, that she won't cure him. They imply it, considering their one want is the chance to say goodbye, meaning they've given up on her finding a cure, but they don't accuse her directly. When tensions run high, the characters often turn the professional personal. "Hot Zone" (John and Elizabeth), "Trinity" (John and Rodney, Teyla and Ronon), "Adrift" (John and Rodney). They get angry with each other. But in "The Shrine", no one gets angry at Keller for refusing them, just frustrated at the situation. Jeannie is the only one who can resist the Keller-love enough to directly point out her failing, that she's no closer to a solution.

Which brings us to her social "flaws". She tells Ronon it's "the story of my life", never fitting in. But she's been accepted into the inner circle of Atlantis faster and closer than any other character except Jeannie (and she's Rodney's family.) By "Doppelganger", only her third ep, Keller's already eating lunch all chummily with the team, in a way that we never saw even Carson or Elizabeth doing, let alone Zelenka, Lorne, Heightmeyer, etc. Ronon, who hasn't felt ready to be with anyone in nine years, starts expressing interest. Teyla's ready to open up to her about her personal life. Keller's feeling comfortable enough to tease Rodney about his hypochondria by "Tabula Rasa". Her interaction with Carson in "Kindred II" suggests a fairly close relationship with him before he died. She doesn't have to struggle with being accepted; they all love her and welcome her into the group immediately.

Comparatively, Sam, who already had personal connections with Rodney, never gets that close. It takes until "Kindred" for her to feel comfortable enough to invite Teyla to address her by her first name.

So much of Keller, her strengths and her weaknesses, her confidence and her competence, her social awkwardness and familiarity with the main cast, vary wildly from episode to episode. I believe most of this stems from the lack of direction. She has no clear problem to overcome, no obvious goal to strive for, no dream to fulfill, no passion to indulge in. Every writer, in every individual script, has to answer that question anew, instead of having it clearly before them. Here her purpose is as love interest, there it’s being a doctor. Here it suits the plot for her to be meek, there flirtatious is the key. It makes for screenwriter schizophrenia to the extreme, the cure for which, at least in part, would have been to answer, at the character's conception: What is she *doing* here, and why does she stay?

[identity profile] lavvyan.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. You know, I could never really put my finger on why Keller is bugging me so much, until this. She really does have no motivation at all, does she? Worse, she keeps contradicting her own canon in a way that can't even be explained by everyone having off days, being human. I just have no idea what she's doing in Atlantis, why everyone seems to like her so much, or what the hell she thinks she's doing most of the time, because her ethics seem to be even more non-existent than Carson's ever were.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Worse, she keeps contradicting her own canon

I really do think so much of the problem is that she doesn't *have* her own canon. The writers never really decided on a character arc. They were just so happy to have Jewel Staite, were like, look, cute, popular actress. Why does she need a character? She can just be whatever the given script calls for, as long as she gets screen time! *sigh*
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[identity profile] highonstargate.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, that's true...I never seen it this way and this is all true!

Love how you express the characters raison d'etre to be in the pegasus Galaxy.

It had bugged me that only Jennie was angry with her in "The Shrine" they didn't even defend Rodney when he was sick, they were in her side and his!

I really love Keller but like you said, her own canon is just everywhere.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks.

Love how you express the characters raison d'etre to be in the pegasus Galaxy.


As I said in the essay, this really *is* important to me. Knowing what a character wants, what the reasons and their dreams, are how I connect. And when it's lacking, my interest in the character is equally lacking.

[identity profile] azurehart.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't agree more.

Everyone loves her, no one can bear to be mean to her, and she has two of the most popular male characters fighting over her. If I saw that in a work of fanfiction I would call Mary Sue, and I'd be right.
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[personal profile] tarlanx 2008-09-23 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah! I agree with you, and that's probably why i dislike her character so much...she's the Mary Sue of Atlantis!

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[identity profile] fiareynne.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for so eloquently detailing exactly what it is about her that bugs you, me, and the rest of the people who haven't succumbed to Keller-love so much. You hit the nail on the head, here.
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[personal profile] copracat 2008-09-23 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't suppose you could provide links to the Keller-love? Apart from a few Ronon/Keller stories I'm not seeing so much of it.

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[identity profile] gaffsie.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. so *that's* why Keller is such a nonentity to me. I've never been able to pinpoint it like this. Thanks for being far more eloquent on the subject than I could ever hope to be.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks! Glad it clicked with you.

...And your icon is for the WIN.
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[identity profile] facetofcathy.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
You transcribed my brain.

I can't get past the total unbelievability of someone that young and ditzy being in charge of anything, far less the Atlantis infirmary. Would the fans buy that guy from Big Bang Theory as Rodney McKay?

My question about Keller is, does she even like Rodney, or Ronon? We get the occasional simpering look, but so far she hasn't expressed any opinion.





[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
My question about Keller is, does she even like Rodney, or Ronon?

This is a BIG question for me. And reinforces that it's all male writers, writing the relationship entirely from the male perspective. We just don't *know* how she feels. The woman's feelings don't matter, just which guy they'll say yes to. :-p

[identity profile] blueraccoon.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, yes. All this. I've never liked Keller and you explain beautifully just why that is.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, glad it works for you!

[identity profile] equusentric.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I...think I love you a little bit.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
^_^ *huggles*

[identity profile] clpm-9.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.
You have put this a lot more eloquently than I ever could thank you for that.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, glad it clicked with you! ^_^
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[personal profile] tarlanx 2008-09-23 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You've just described fanfic's MARY SUE exactly...and it's a character in the show! I agree with everything you said about her. She seems to lack the motivation and experience needed to be in her position, claims ot be socially inept, and yet everyone loves her unconditionally (except for Jeannie!) and she cannot do a thing wrong in their eyes. I thought her actions in The Shrine were extremely unprofessional - and yet no one berated her over it!

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeeeah, she really has dipped VERY dangerously into Mary Sue territory. *ack* Why show, WHY!? *sigh*

[identity profile] auburnnothenna.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hunh. Well, this explains the one time I did like her, when she wasn't Keller but a Replicator assuming Keller's form in This Mortal Coil. Further evidence it is the character at fault and not the actress.

They could do something with her unlikely age, you know? Say she took the Atlantis gig because she couldn't get job commensurate with her skill due to her age. Give her a past.

Also, they say she's a doctor, but I seriously doubt she's nothing more than a general practitioner. She needs a specialty, something that pushed her to go where her nature didn't want to go.
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[personal profile] ariadne83 2008-09-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, good call. Because Repli!Keller had clear motivations, and goals we could sympathise with, which led the team to empathise with her and feel sad when she sacrificed herself to save them.

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[identity profile] wickedwords.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Jennifer Keller is "normal" and "believable" and "not a superhero" is a statement filled with truthiness for some, but it's not actual truth. She's portrayed as a child prodigy, 26-year-old Doogie Howser, smarter than everyone around her (until she got to Atlantis) and a wiz-kid with anything medical. How is that "normal"?

::sigh:: Sorry, Went off on a tangent there. See my rant on Keller as a Mary Sue (http://wickedwords.livejournal.com/614007.html) for more specifics on that.

You raise some really good points. I sometimes feel like I am betraying myself in not liking Keller, given how hard I have fought for female character inclusion, but she has no reason to be in Atlantis.
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[identity profile] perspi.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think you should feel that way about yourself, because you've fought for female character inclusion, and as gnine said so eloquently, Keller isn't exactly a character yet--she's a female stand-in for whatever the writers want that week.

For me, I feel like I could like her, maybe. If she had some motivation.

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[personal profile] runpunkrun 2008-09-23 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Great point about her lack of accountability in Adrift, and The Shrine. In The Shrine, not one of Rodney's team members got angry with her, and anger's a common reaction when you're dealing with grief. No one even knocked over anything and stormed out of the room because she refused to let the team take Rodney to the cave! And no one blamed her afterwards, for being so smitten that she wasn't doing her job. I mean, Rodney got super pissed at John for his flirtation with Chaya because Rodney saw that as John's libido endangering the security of Atlantis, i.e. John failing to do his job.

If Keller were a tad braver, I'd call her a Mary Sue, but she's still got all the other hallmarks. Everyone treats her like she can do no wrong.
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[personal profile] ariadne83 2008-09-23 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Rodney got super pissed at John for his flirtation with Chaya because Rodney saw that as John's libido endangering the security of Atlantis, i.e. John failing to do his job. Excellent point.

Before I saw Tracker, I firmly believed that Rodney would get better after The Shrine and then be unbelievably pissed at Keller - not only because her distraction put his life at risk but because the him she was so smitten with wasn't the real him. If it were me, behaviour like that would make me want to smack them, not ask them out.

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[identity profile] sundara.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for taking the time to write down the conversation a friend and I had last week! You've excellently pinpointed the problems with this character, and we totally agree: those issues make her increased screen time aggravating beyond belief.

Then again, it's just another issue I have currently with this show... It's very apparent they're mainly treading water on this, their last season. Coming off of last year, which I enjoyed a lot, the contrast is pronounced. More than likely the schedule we're seeing (lots of shows highlighting everyone around John and Rodney) is the typical "we're canceled, so lets do all the things we didn't get to do, let's let everyone have the spotlight." Not to mention, "let's let the actors have time off to go job hunting." Ha.

Your character problems have bled over into show problems, too...the lack of purpose, or overall arc for this season is, quite frankly, dragging it down badly. A stand-alone show like The Shrine, as excellent as that was, only serves to highlight the lack of deep purpose and drive in the rest of the season.

I detested being "Chris Cartered" in XFiles when he diversified and had another tv show and a movie in the works and the production values (writing, etc) went down...and I dislike it just as much now.
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[identity profile] xparrot.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It's very apparent they're mainly treading water on this, their last season.

Actually, that's not the case - SGA films much ahead of air dates, and they didn't find out that they were canceled until last month, when they were almost done filming the season, after every episode had been written and all but the last three or four had been wrapped. And there's indication that the producers were expecting to get another season; the cancellation came as a surprise to all concerned.

I do agree this season has problems (I'm enjoying some of it, especially the increased team presence as compared to last season; but I haven't found it as rewatchable as season 3-4) but they're not due to the cancellation; every ep we've seen so far was completed before they knew they weren't getting a 6th season.

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[identity profile] seadragon-redux.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You hit the nail right on the head. What's always bugged me is how the audience is just suppose to accept Keller's position within the 'Atlantis family' without ever being given real reasons. Her relationships - both friendships and romantic - have no actual development behind them beyond the odd thing dropped without any consistent re enforcement.

She really doesn't have a motivation and its a shame. I loved Jewel Staite on Firefly and I thought she brought a lot of nuance to a character that could have been very two dimensional. But Keller is just a wash for me and its a waste of a good actress. And I'm really tired of having her inserted into every episode because they want the romantic triangle to fly and therefore we need to not forget she's on the show. (Think poor Katie Brown and her doomed position on the show) Its not the actress' fault but I really have no use for her character and I wish they'd give her screen time to other actors who have put in their time, do have characters that are actually well rounded and have believable relationships with everyone else and who have more going for them then just being unbelievably cute (again, not the actress' fault)

I am unbelievably frustrated with some aspects of the show right now and having been hearing rumors about the nature of Stargate: Universe I have a feeling that the once very cool Stargate Universe is going to be going out with a horrible slide into mediocrity rather then the recognition for being cool it once deserved. Keller's character is just part of what feels like a serious overall decline in the making.

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And I'm really tired of having her inserted into every episode because they want the romantic triangle to fly and therefore we need to not forget she's on the show. (Think poor Katie Brown and her doomed position on the show) Its not the actress' fault but I really have no use for her character and I wish they'd give her screen time to other actors who have put in their time, do have characters that are actually well rounded and have believable relationships with everyone else and who have more going for them then just being unbelievably cute (again, not the actress' fault)


But Katie Brown wasn't in as many episodes as Keller is. Whatever else that can be said about their relationship, a lot of it was maintained through comments rather than scenes.

I don't mind Keller, at all. I disliked Carson quite a bit. But I feel they serve the same purpose, gender differences aside. They are each a supporting character that gets undue amounts of attention. Frankly, I view both characters as efforts by the writers to have a (white) human to write for, because they consistently favor these characters over the aliens (of color) that are supposed to be on the team that the show's about. In short, I think Keller gets screentime that should go to Teyla and/or Ronon.

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[personal profile] sholio 2008-09-23 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
In "The Shrine", there's disagreement, but they never outright state they think Keller's wrong, that she won't cure him. They imply it, considering their one want is the chance to say goodbye, meaning they've given up on her finding a cure, but they don't accuse her directly. When tensions run high, the characters often turn the professional personal. "Hot Zone" (John and Elizabeth), "Trinity" (John and Rodney, Teyla and Ronon), "Adrift" (John and Rodney). They get angry with each other. But in "The Shrine", no one gets angry at Keller for refusing them, just frustrated at the situation. Jeannie is the only one who can resist the Keller-love enough to directly point out her failing, that she's no closer to a solution.

Er ... I'm confused by this.

I agree that Keller was blinded, in the beginning, by her attraction to Rodney, so she didn't begin looking for a cure until it was possibly past the point where she could have safely operated. And she beat herself up over it, and maybe the other characters should have been angry at her for it (though, IMHO, it would have been unfair). But she kept looking for a cure long past the point where all the other characters had given up on him. Everyone else wanted to take Rodney to the Wraith planet to say goodbye -- i.e. they had accepted that he was going to die and that he couldn't be cured. Keller was the one who was still trying to fix him. If the others would be justified in anger at her for failing to diagnose him sooner, she would be just as justified to be angry at them (and Jeannie) for giving up on him, and on her, which they DO. No one believed that the Shrine would fix Rodney -- at the very best, they believed it would give them a chance to say goodbye at the cost of shortening his already very limited lifespan.

I'm not sure if I'm going to comment on the rest of it, because you already know how I feel about Keller *g*, though I will mull it over. But I stopped on this, because I've seen a lot of people suggesting that Keller, in Shrine, was somehow standing in the way of the others helping Rodney -- and what everyone seems to be forgetting is that they took him to that planet to DIE. Keller was the one who wanted to stay on Atlantis (where all the medical equipment is, where the most likely solution could be reasonably found) and try to find a cure. Through a total Pegasus Galaxy fluke, Rodney was healed by magic handwaviness, but no one expected that to happen. They took him to the planet in the full expectation, based on everything Teyla and Ronon said about the Shrine, that they'd just sealed his death warrant - that they would not be bringing him back alive.

Edit: The thought also occurred to me that no one else appears to have noticed anything wrong with Rodney in the early stages of the disease, either, at least not based on how Keller presented the situation to Jeannie (and given that she was blaming herself for it, it seems like something she would have mentioned if she'd received a warning from someone else and ignored it). I mean, if one of the others had gone to Keller and said, "Something's wrong, you need to examine him" and she'd ignored that, then yeah, she's definitely guilty of dereliction of duty! But if even his friends, who know him best, didn't catch on to what was happening, it's hardly fair to blame Keller, who hasn't known him nearly as long, for not noticing anything either.
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Keller was standing in the way of helping Rodney. She did want to keep him back but for the wrong reasons. She felt quilty and she had to be the one to cure him. She made that very clear in her actions. If she had been thinking like a doctor she should have considered that the shrine might have had a way to treat Rodney. This is the pegasus qalaxy and weird stuff is normal. Even if it was magical fairies and pixie dust with both Teyla and Ronon vouching for it she should have at least considered it even with it being fatal. Many cures are until perfected. With her running out of options they should have at least sent someone to check it out preferably when Ronon first suggested it. This was her Doranda. Rodney was almost out of time and nothing she tried was working. If Ronon hadn't insisted on going Rodney would have been dead and it would have been her fault. What she did wrong wasn't the late diagnosis but the fact that she let her crush and her guilt and her need to be the one to cure him blind her to a way to treat him. I think people would have been ok with this if she had been called on it but no she was even given all the credit for saving Rodney when really Ronon and John were responsible for coming up with the solution.

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[identity profile] hawtboyluvin.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing that started to bug me about Keller was in Adrift, she just stood there and let John jump down Rodney's throat at him reactivating the nanites.

She didn't say "Hey I rushed him and it was my choice as her doctor to do so!"

Oh my Gawd The Shrine, I wanted to reach in the TV and bash her head in on her attitude on dealing with Rodney and his friends.

Her medical Ethics and the oaths doctors take, where just ran over with a semi-truck because the writers want the McKay Keller romance.

[identity profile] horridporrid.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Her medical Ethics and the oaths doctors take, where just ran over with a semi-truck because the writers want the McKay Keller romance.

Wait, are you talking specifically about The Shrine? What oaths and ethics were broken?

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This is a very thoughtful, generous, intelligent post, sweets, and I very much appreciated how reasonable it is. Thank you.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:15 am (UTC)(link)
Heee, thanks! *huggles*

I really was trying very hard to avoid any bashing and going for what I see as the flaws in writing. *sigh* I just wish she was better written/planned out. I really, really wanted to like her. And didn't want to have anything really negative about my show. I love my show...my soon to be over show *sniffle* -_-

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Wow! Excellently written and I completely concurr :D

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Thanks!

[identity profile] ceares.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Well thought out, well stated.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks.

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That was extremely well put. I wish the SGA writers would read this.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, thanks. I just wish the writers had thought beyond "oh look, we got Jewel Staite, she's cute. What, what, you need character? But, but she's a cute girl. Isn't that enough?!" *headdesk*

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[identity profile] horridporrid.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
So I disagree. :D Here's how: (Ooh, it's a two poster, but I wanted to address your main points. Sorry!)

But what place does "normal" have on Atlantis? As your Head of Medicine? At that young an age? In that prestigious, not to mention dangerous, a place? She better be damn special, better outshine them all.

For me, the reason I like Jennifer as a "normal" character has to do with her not being a powerful warrior or soldier. I'm glad to see a female blueshirt learning how to survive (and thrive) in an action/adventure setting.

What we have seen is Jennifer's skills as a doctor. Whenever a medical problem comes up, Jennifer solves it, usually against a ticking clock, and usually in a creative way. Which is more than enough for me to extrapolate that she stood out amongst her fellow medical people. She doesn't shine above the Atlantis regulars, but she shouldn't. As you point out, they all shine in their fields.

Atlantis is not a mundane place and neither are the people on it. Is Keller?

Well, no. As you point out here:

...that's awfully young to be the head of anything, especially the Head of Medicine at an international, highly elite facility.

Exactly. And probably part of the reason Jennifer was nervous about stepping up in the first place. However, she did so, did well, and continues to do well as per her staff being happy with her and the infirmary running well. So right there we have evidence (television show evidence of course *g*), that Jennifer is very good, exceptionally good, at her job.

People argue that Keller is no worse off-world/in battle/outside of her standard duties, etc. than Carson or early Rodney. And I agree. She's no worse, but she's no better, either. And she *should* be. Why? No double standard, just a fundamental difference: Carson and Rodney both were on Atlantis from the beginning.

Actually, I'm going to call double standard. Based on the blueshirts we've seen throughout the seasons (the female linguist in Coup D'Etat in s2 who didn't help Lorne's crew; the male physicist in Submersion who tripped over the queen Wraith in s3; the group of out-of-shape scientists driving puddlejumpers with great trepidation in Adrift in s4) that the scientists are, as a whole, not soldiers. Goodness, just look at Woosley! So yes, I think you are being unfair expecting Jennifer to be a soldier as well as a doctor.

Also, I think you're not giving credit to her obvious training as seen in Tracker. She saw the problem and addressed it. Just like Rodney and Carson.

...if Keller didn't want to be in charge, didn't feel she could handle it, why did she take the position?

Because someone had to and she felt she could fill the breech. It's not what Jennifer signed up for (gosh, at her age I'm sure she thought running a department was years away), but she was needed so she stepped in, and was obviously doing the job well. Per what Elizabeth said, and what we saw in Adrift.

She first tells Elizabeth she hopes the IOA will make a quick decision, she'd like to go back to being "a regular doctor." You can *never* be a regular doctor as the head of medicine on Atlantis.

True, there's all that paperwork. *g* That's what I thought Jennifer was talking about, especially given the context. As we saw, neither Rodney nor John enjoyed that aspect of being "Head" either. Though I will point out, Jennifer does get to do "regular doctor" stuff as we've seen in Missing and Tracker. (That's how I interpreted "regular doctor" anyway. Healing people, not organizing staff, and doing the dreaded paperwork.) Which goes to...

Why struggle through it when you can be a regular doctor in the comfort and safety of your own galaxy?

Because the people of this galaxy need her. Maybe she joined up for one reason (they asked, it seemed exciting, etc.) but she stays because she's making a difference. If safety and comfort are Jennifer's goals, she wouldn't go off-world, she'd delegate it to someone.

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[identity profile] horridporrid.livejournal.com 2008-09-23 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
John never really wanted to come to Atlantis in the first place, had to be talked into it, in face of resentment from his CEO. But he overcame that, made a home there, a family, people he will do *anything* for.

Right. So given we don't know why John chose to go to Atlantis in the first place, why must Jennifer have a specific, spelled out reason for joining? Can't it be enough that she's here, doing good work, and obviously happy to be making a difference? And also, obviously working to be better prepared for the adventures Pegasus throws at her. (As we saw in Tracker, where she was better prepared then Dr. Porter, and therefore didn't need a rescue. No slam on Dr. Porter; she's new. *g*)

She tells Ronon it's "the story of my life", never fitting in. But she's been accepted into the inner circle of Atlantis faster and closer than any other character except Jeannie (and she's Rodney's family.)

That a social misfit fits in with the other misfits doesn't surprise me. ;) But, I think you're airbrushing the ease of Jennifer's fitting in. Her first friendship I'd say was with Sam (bond of fellow outsiders, I think). She became close with Teyla through the adventure of Missing, close with Ronon through the adventure of Quarantine (though that didn't fully take at first *g*), and close to Rodney through the adventure of Trio. It took up to this season for John to warm up to her (I think her letting him go rescue Teyla helped).

I feel like the show worked to fit her in with the others in a fair and logical way. She wasn't suddenly bffs with everyone, she had to earn it.

So much of Keller, her strengths and her weaknesses, her confidence and her competence, her social awkwardness and familiarity with the main cast, vary wildly from episode to episode.

I don't see that. I honestly don't see the fluctuation. Maybe if Missing came after Trio, or The Shrine came before Quarantine... but honestly, I think Jennifer is being handled as well as any of the other main characters as far as who she is, how Atlantis changed her, and how she interacts with the others.

And that's my two cents...or, you know, more. ;)

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[identity profile] d_odyssey.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
YES, yes, yes! Exactly. My feelings exactly. I didn't have any preconceived bias' toward the character at the beginning either, but she has just gone downhill to the point I hate seeing her on screen. You've explained it perfectly. I keep going back to the 26 year old CMO (unbelievable), going against Sheppard's orders with the nanites (consequences), dropping the ball in The Shrine and then apparently viewing the "love" declaration more than once (creepy & unprofessional) the milquetoast personality that changes week to week that now has 2 male leads "competing" for her. Everyone loves her, but why? The writers haven't given me a reason to care. I'm not invested in her at all. Now she gets major story arcs and more dedicated episodes than Sheppard, Ronon and Teyla. I just feel she is being force fed to us as the Mary Sue of each writer. She isn't perfect, yet no one ever gets mad at her and she never has to face the consequences of her actions/decisions and she is the love interest of 2 of the team, yet again no one has a problem with that. I agree with what you've said 100%. Sorry for the rant, the character and her front burner storylines really push my buttons.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Now she gets major story arcs and more dedicated episodes than Sheppard, Ronon and Teyla.

And Rodney. This is one of the the things REALLY driving me nuts. She'd be fine if she was a minor as Carson, or maybe a bit less, between Carson and Zelenka. But so far, she's had THREE major focused eps this season, to Ronon, Teyla and Rodney one and a half and John and Carson's half. What GIVES?! If you're gonna give her THAT much, do *something* interesting with her, plllleeeeaaasssee!!

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[identity profile] bbluejenn117.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for this post, obviously a lot of thought went into it.

I don't agree 100%, but I agree with most....and how you describe Keller is very "Mary Sue"

I liked Keller in season 4, it seemed plausable that she would be nervous and scared by all of the crazy shit that gets thrown at you in that place. While I didn't like 'Trio' (too much Zelenka bashing thank you very much), I liked Keller in the first half of the series. The thing is, I would expect for her to, while not become used to the crazy in that universe, at least realize that its going to happen and adapt, learn new skills, not be suprised when something scary or amazing happens, because it will, just be prepared, its cool to be scared, because the others still do too, but they adjust and manage to somehow save the day.

I don't understand why she's on Atlantis, but that's not really important to me, what's important is that she shows growth, character development, especially if she's continually given as much screen time as she does.

I am a big fan of John/Rodney, this being said, I could buy, even root for Rodney/Keller if I there were more development with that particular pairing. If, as I stated above, there was more character development with her, if she could "handle" Rodney at his worst and at his best. I'm not asking for her to be the female version of John, but someone who's willing to recognize his faults and let them come out, unlike Katie Brown, and also be able to deal with them. I'm not really phrasing this well, but to oversimplfy, someone who is Rodney's equal, obviously not in smarts, who won't let Rodney be someone he's not, and won't let him hide what he is.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand why she's on Atlantis, but that's not really important to me, what's important is that she shows growth, character development

See, I think what it comes down to for me is that they're really one and the same. It's a characters inner motivation, their drives, that carry them through the show. It's what got each one of them to where they are, and it's what's continued each of their stories along. I think they have trouble showing her "growth" when they don't know where she's been, or where she's going.

As for the Rodney/Keller...I didn't really get into it much...but I LOATHE the pairing, (while I only dislike Keller). Partly, die hard OTPer you're talking to. But it's more than that. So far, their relationship has unfolded just like with Katie Brown...actually, if to me, even slightly more implausible, relating to the essay above. At least with Katie, she had a PASSION, her plants. It made it clear Rodney and her want long amounts of time without seeing each other, and that was fine, because they were both so in love with their work. But we haven't seen that passion in Keller. She likes being a doctor, but she doesn't come across as obsessed to me. And we've never gotten even a hint of ANY OTHER interests. The fact that at the beginning of "Tracker", Rodney is memorizing medical jargon (something we know, canonically, he HATES) just to impress tells me that he doesn't know any of her other hobbies either. He has no clue what to talk about with her. And he seems to feel he constantly needs to be different around her.

who won't let Rodney be someone he's not, and won't let him hide what he is.

Yet Keller seems perfectly content to. She says she was "so taken" with the "New McKay" in "The Shrine". You know, the one that was totally NOT LIKE RODNEY. Rodney, too, seems determined to be different around her "a new life, the kinder, gentler McKay" He seems convinced he can't be himself around her. Even Katie knew when Rodney wasn't being himself "Oh no no, you hate being around sick people, you don't have to come." He still does, she can't convince him that he doesn't have to be different with her. But she realizes he's trying to behave counter to his nature. Keller doesn't even seem to notice.

Also, she seems most attracted to his 'woobie' side. And while as I fan, I love seeing him like that, he usually only shows that side when he's *really* unhappy or depressed. Not a side you want to enjoy in a potential boyfriend.

Err, sorry, got long there. I just...yeah. Sensitive area.

One of the reasons I so, so adore the McShep is that John totally loves Rodney for who he is. He, canonically, gets a kick out of Rodney's rants. He shares Rodney's hobbies and interests, his sense of humor. He never expects Rodney to change. And he's great at wrangling Rodney, who's extreme pessimistic nature often needs a kick in the pants. John always provides.
*meekly removes the tin hat*

[identity profile] mirabile-dictu.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much. I don't read much meta, and I was afraid to read this, but I'm glad I did. Keller drives me crazy -- I mean, really crazy. I don't understand her attraction at all, and I'm offended at a lot of the stuff her character does and says. I love Jewel, and was so excited that she was going to be on the show, but not anymore. The character is so poorly written, so inconsistently written, that I've given up. If it's a Keller episode -- and there are far too many -- I don't watch. As far as I'm concerned, she doesn't exist.

Anyway, thanks. Good essay, and it quite cheered me.

[identity profile] gnine.livejournal.com 2008-09-24 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll watch the Keller eps. I just don't enjoy 'em. At least not the parts she's in. Binder has this amazing talent of putting some of *the best* John/Rodney moments in her eps. They're always so short...but so CUTE. ("Missing" with the Batman conversation, "Quarantine" with the marriage and them playing video golf, "Tracker" with HOMG SO JEALOUS John!).

Glad it clicked, thanks so much!

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