Keller fixed Carson's fatal illness AND came up with a solution to the Wraith problem that even the Ancients hadn't been able to think of. But you won't credit those as brilliant ideas because somewhere along the way, she relied on other people's research.
Okay, you, horridporrid and derry667 all keep saying her brilliant, creative solutions for both Carson and the Wraith. And this is the problem I keep having. You say I dismiss it cause she had a "bit of help" along the way. But that's where I feel like I'm watching a different show. Because where's the "a bit" part. Rodney states, outright, that he got most, possibly all of Michael's data.
McKAY: Michael's database! There's a large chunk of it, maybe the whole thing too. I mean, we've got base schematics, medical research information, list of planets. You know what this means? --Gateworld transcripts
It wasn't the case that Michael was working towards solutions and Keller completed his research. Yes, if that were the case, power to her, then. I'll totally bow to her brilliance. But that's not the case. It was finished, it was tested, and it was PROVED TO WORK, before Keller ever, once, got even a hint that it existed.
Michael had Carson alive for almost two years. His cells did not begin to degrade until he stopped receiving Michael's formula. Because Michael had a viable, completed, working solution to that problem. Keller had to go through Michael's research to find the solution, and then follow the recipe and cook it up. How is that her success? She seems hesitant to test it on Carson, makes sense. She can't be 100% sure she got the right formula out of Michael's data base. I'm sure he had to go through plenty of variations and research and testing before he hit on the right one. Yes, so if her Wraith is a bit shoddy, or Michael's data was in code or whatever, she might have nicked the wrong formula. Wanting to be sure she's not using the wrong thing, total sense. Creating something brilliant with a "bit of help"? I'm sorry, but I don't see it. Give me a case on my list of Rodney's solutions that someone else did every single step, and he just flicked the switch at the end.
Actually, you'll probably say that about "38 minutes". You said Rodney didn't even help with implementing the solution...except somehow the drive pods got retracted. Which was Zelenka and Rodney working together. Kavanagh's only contribution is the suggestion to open the hatch to give them some forward momentum. (which, and xparrot will totally support me on, I started screaming at the screen "pop the hatch, the release of air will give you momentum" the second they said they had none. A good 30 seconds before any of the scientists thought of it...clearly I watch waaaaaay too much sci-fi ^_-). His idea comes only *after* the main problem, the drive pods, was fixed. Zelenka did isolate the area Rodney was supposed to be working in to find the retraction device. Rodney still had to try some stuff, but you're right, it's more trial and error at that point. Similar to what Keller was doing with Michael's data to find Carson's fix. But I think "38 minutes" was one of my weakest examples. While you say the bit with fixing Carson is one of her most brilliant.
Keller's amazing solution, that the Ancients hadn't even thought of (why not, does beg the question, oh silly Ancients) but um.... :
MICHAEL: I'll admit, my early attempts were a little ... crude, but that's all changed now. I've refined the retrovirus to create the perfect balance – ability well beyond any normal human but without the one weakness that will be the downfall of the Wraith.
(He lifts his right hand and holds it up, showing her his palm. It no longer has a feeding slit on it.)
MICHAEL: The need to feed.
No longer has the slit. As in, this research is done, complete, finito. That's in "Kindred". Keller hasn't been working on it yet at all. All of it is done for her. She is not finishing what Michael started (Michael was finishing what Carson started. Excuse me, Michael FINISHED what Carson started). What did Keller have left to do on it. Again, sift through Michael's data.
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Part one of my reply to your reply to horridp--OMG AHHH! ^_-
Date: 2008-09-25 07:19 pm (UTC)Okay, you,
McKAY: Michael's database! There's a large chunk of it, maybe the whole thing too. I mean, we've got base schematics, medical research information, list of planets. You know what this means? --Gateworld transcripts
It wasn't the case that Michael was working towards solutions and Keller completed his research. Yes, if that were the case, power to her, then. I'll totally bow to her brilliance. But that's not the case. It was finished, it was tested, and it was PROVED TO WORK, before Keller ever, once, got even a hint that it existed.
Michael had Carson alive for almost two years. His cells did not begin to degrade until he stopped receiving Michael's formula. Because Michael had a viable, completed, working solution to that problem. Keller had to go through Michael's research to find the solution, and then follow the recipe and cook it up. How is that her success? She seems hesitant to test it on Carson, makes sense. She can't be 100% sure she got the right formula out of Michael's data base. I'm sure he had to go through plenty of variations and research and testing before he hit on the right one. Yes, so if her Wraith is a bit shoddy, or Michael's data was in code or whatever, she might have nicked the wrong formula. Wanting to be sure she's not using the wrong thing, total sense. Creating something brilliant with a "bit of help"? I'm sorry, but I don't see it. Give me a case on my list of Rodney's solutions that someone else did every single step, and he just flicked the switch at the end.
Actually, you'll probably say that about "38 minutes". You said Rodney didn't even help with implementing the solution...except somehow the drive pods got retracted. Which was Zelenka and Rodney working together. Kavanagh's only contribution is the suggestion to open the hatch to give them some forward momentum. (which, and
Keller's amazing solution, that the Ancients hadn't even thought of (why not, does beg the question, oh silly Ancients) but um.... :
MICHAEL: I'll admit, my early attempts were a little ... crude, but that's all changed now. I've refined the retrovirus to create the perfect balance – ability well beyond any normal human but without the one weakness that will be the downfall of the Wraith.
(He lifts his right hand and holds it up, showing her his palm. It no longer has a feeding slit on it.)
MICHAEL: The need to feed.
No longer has the slit. As in, this research is done, complete, finito. That's in "Kindred". Keller hasn't been working on it yet at all. All of it is done for her. She is not finishing what Michael started (Michael was finishing what Carson started. Excuse me, Michael FINISHED what Carson started). What did Keller have left to do on it. Again, sift through Michael's data.
(TBC)